Much continues as previously. This is worth a note though. Example of Guardian not reporting Corbyn or so slightly they could just as well not bother. I still think this is a large explanation of how Brexit came about. The voters Corbyn connects to are not represented in mainstream media.
The print version of Guardian as bought in Exeter has a John Crace sketch with no mention of corbyn motion as announced at end of debate. The web version just checked has got a mention right at the end with comment it is a bit pointless as no time available. Looks to be a late addition.
My take is that the Guardian has stayed mostly on an anti Corbyn position since he was elected. I won't post the evidence every time.
Tuesday, 18 December 2018
Saturday, 15 December 2018
Trump / Brexit ; BBC / CNN
Background to several tweets
Not sure really what is going on but there is clearly a gap how different things are reported.
CNN reports from USA on Trump and issues from election, fake social media, investigations, court cases.
In UK almost no reporting on similar, possibly linked, events around Brexit. By contrast some knocking copy on other reports such as by Carole Cadwalladr, both on air comments and tweets from @afneil.
Not sure when but this cannot continue. My guess is the USA story will get so loud the UK media cannot ignore the Brexit aspect. Not sure when. BBC and newspapers too involved in Brexit case to report the issues now. They did not question enough at the time.
So various quote tweets and comments will appear along these lines. @newswatchbbc possible , not sure when the deadline is so make this a very general comment.
Not sure really what is going on but there is clearly a gap how different things are reported.
CNN reports from USA on Trump and issues from election, fake social media, investigations, court cases.
In UK almost no reporting on similar, possibly linked, events around Brexit. By contrast some knocking copy on other reports such as by Carole Cadwalladr, both on air comments and tweets from @afneil.
Not sure when but this cannot continue. My guess is the USA story will get so loud the UK media cannot ignore the Brexit aspect. Not sure when. BBC and newspapers too involved in Brexit case to report the issues now. They did not question enough at the time.
So various quote tweets and comments will appear along these lines. @newswatchbbc possible , not sure when the deadline is so make this a very general comment.
Still not much reporting on Corbyn
Notes just a bit bigger than a tweet. Just played Nick Robinson podcast with Hilary Benn. On the week not much here about the debate Labour asked for on the pulling of the vote. I think Corbyn made some good points then but not much reported. Robinson seems to hope Benand other Labour MPs will switch support to May project. He has no time to explore what Corbyn says about EU policy, what the form of an actual discussion would be. So this time is a continuation of the referendum. see previous posts.
By the way, about 20 min in Benn asked about the newspaper reports around the time he resigned. Not based on info from him apparently but why is he never asked to guess where the report came from? Anyway, maybe this blog should move on. He is clear that Corbyn is now leader of Labour Party. Eventually reality of Commons will be reported or have some consequence.
Evidence of bias on Corbyn consistent throughout, the blog only needs so much.
But info on telly arrangements still interesting. Not much made public about BBC / ITV talks. Would still be interesting how Corbyn ended up on Sky / Last Leg ( both excellent of course) will have to wait for diaries.
By the way, about 20 min in Benn asked about the newspaper reports around the time he resigned. Not based on info from him apparently but why is he never asked to guess where the report came from? Anyway, maybe this blog should move on. He is clear that Corbyn is now leader of Labour Party. Eventually reality of Commons will be reported or have some consequence.
Evidence of bias on Corbyn consistent throughout, the blog only needs so much.
But info on telly arrangements still interesting. Not much made public about BBC / ITV talks. Would still be interesting how Corbyn ended up on Sky / Last Leg ( both excellent of course) will have to wait for diaries.
Saturday, 1 December 2018
Update and fiction around May / Corbyn on TV re Brexit
This blog has not been updated for a while. I have done a lot of tweets - @will789gb - and also added to the playlist on YouTube. But often I have just repeated previous questions. Looking for info on how things came to happen.
I am still interested mostly in the newspapers at the time of the referendum. There is interest now in social media and links to Trump etc. but in 2016 the newspapers still had clout. Hard to tell how much, but a lot of influence on the debate.
So I am going to look at the background to the proposed May / Corbyn TV debate on current Commons vote. Follow on Twitter and look for clues on what is going on. Could be very similar to what happened during referendum.
Big difference is that Corbyn is more in control of Labour Party press and PR. In 2016 there were organisations set up by Mandelson and Alan Johnson. Speculation has it some opponents inside Labour wanted to oppose him following an election defeat. The shadow cabinet resignations came soon after the referendum result. One campaign had a press release including an attack on Corbyn as part of their conclusion at the referendum result.
Corbyn did not share a platform with Conservatives and did not follow the same arguments. He avoided "catastrophist" claims about the economy.Concentrated on employment and consumer rights, the environment, positive aspects of EU.
For ref, this from Sky
Unfortunately the clips from Last Led on Channel 4 now very limited. Edits claim to show 7/10 score for EU as not positive enough. The complete clip was uploaded to his own YouTube channel, then taken down at Channel 4 request. It would be interesting to know how these decisions happened. Possibly thought to be helping someone inside Labour? Hard to tell. When the polls were tricky and media space was cleared for Labour it was taken by Gordon Brown and Lord Darling, sharing a platform with Osborne and sticking to claims about crashing the economy and a difficult budget. Not much reporting on Corbyn.
So how will decisions in TV be made over the next week or so? According to Buzzfeed there may have been discussions between BBC and May about a format that assumed an audience 50:50 in support of May to start with, limited time for Corbyn and May. So the ITV option makes sense for Labour.
Between the referendum and the second Labour leadership election there were heckles on Corbyn reported on BBC. But on Twitter there are stories that one was associated with Portland and the other with Lib Dems. Again this might have been sen as helpful for some sort of Labour or central view. Hard to tell. But maybe someone can remember and info will turn up as part of the chat this week.
So far the BBC has not reported on a story that May blocked an inquiry into Banks when Home Secretary before the referendum. Reported by Daily Mail and Channel 4 and mentioned in Commons by Ben Bradshaw MP. This should be part of a Brexit discussion as connects to Trump investigations and Russian cyber actions. Carole Cadwalladr is often queried on Twitter, in ways supported by some comments on BBC such as paper reviews and guests such as Banks. Another reason to avoid BBC if they continue to block the story. If they know it is wrong they could say so.
I am sometimes uncertain what the priority is for people supporting a second referendum. Corbyn is clear enough that this is a possibility though he prefers a general election. Is the aim to persuade him or to show he is just wrong and should be replaced? Surely things have changed? He is the Leader and you might think he would get media support. But Observer newspaper for example seems to ignore this. Interesting to see comments around the TV options.
Probably continues as tweets - @will789gb - other topics also.
Not much fiction yet, maybe later.
I am still interested mostly in the newspapers at the time of the referendum. There is interest now in social media and links to Trump etc. but in 2016 the newspapers still had clout. Hard to tell how much, but a lot of influence on the debate.
So I am going to look at the background to the proposed May / Corbyn TV debate on current Commons vote. Follow on Twitter and look for clues on what is going on. Could be very similar to what happened during referendum.
Big difference is that Corbyn is more in control of Labour Party press and PR. In 2016 there were organisations set up by Mandelson and Alan Johnson. Speculation has it some opponents inside Labour wanted to oppose him following an election defeat. The shadow cabinet resignations came soon after the referendum result. One campaign had a press release including an attack on Corbyn as part of their conclusion at the referendum result.
Corbyn did not share a platform with Conservatives and did not follow the same arguments. He avoided "catastrophist" claims about the economy.Concentrated on employment and consumer rights, the environment, positive aspects of EU.
For ref, this from Sky
Unfortunately the clips from Last Led on Channel 4 now very limited. Edits claim to show 7/10 score for EU as not positive enough. The complete clip was uploaded to his own YouTube channel, then taken down at Channel 4 request. It would be interesting to know how these decisions happened. Possibly thought to be helping someone inside Labour? Hard to tell. When the polls were tricky and media space was cleared for Labour it was taken by Gordon Brown and Lord Darling, sharing a platform with Osborne and sticking to claims about crashing the economy and a difficult budget. Not much reporting on Corbyn.
So how will decisions in TV be made over the next week or so? According to Buzzfeed there may have been discussions between BBC and May about a format that assumed an audience 50:50 in support of May to start with, limited time for Corbyn and May. So the ITV option makes sense for Labour.
Between the referendum and the second Labour leadership election there were heckles on Corbyn reported on BBC. But on Twitter there are stories that one was associated with Portland and the other with Lib Dems. Again this might have been sen as helpful for some sort of Labour or central view. Hard to tell. But maybe someone can remember and info will turn up as part of the chat this week.
So far the BBC has not reported on a story that May blocked an inquiry into Banks when Home Secretary before the referendum. Reported by Daily Mail and Channel 4 and mentioned in Commons by Ben Bradshaw MP. This should be part of a Brexit discussion as connects to Trump investigations and Russian cyber actions. Carole Cadwalladr is often queried on Twitter, in ways supported by some comments on BBC such as paper reviews and guests such as Banks. Another reason to avoid BBC if they continue to block the story. If they know it is wrong they could say so.
I am sometimes uncertain what the priority is for people supporting a second referendum. Corbyn is clear enough that this is a possibility though he prefers a general election. Is the aim to persuade him or to show he is just wrong and should be replaced? Surely things have changed? He is the Leader and you might think he would get media support. But Observer newspaper for example seems to ignore this. Interesting to see comments around the TV options.
Probably continues as tweets - @will789gb - other topics also.
Not much fiction yet, maybe later.
Sunday, 9 September 2018
BBC view seems much the same as newspapers, so critique unlikely
A few thoughts after watching Dateline London on BBC News.
Brexit has a few issues for the UK but the discussion made no mention of Jeremy Corbyn or opposition in parliament or anywhere. Apart from Conservatives in newspapers. So the scope for Steve Richards is the current government and the BoJo supporters. As far as I can tell there was almost no BBC reporting of PMQ this week, my take Corbyn was effective, all questions about Brexit. The official story is that Corbyn has failed to get message through, though BBC editorial may have more to do with it. My guess is that Corbyn at PMQ will matter eventually, even if not reported by BBC and newspapers. RT on YouTube continues, not sure how this can be blocked.
So the strange world of Brexit newspapers is actually shared by the BBC and presumably other broadcasters. Debate about Brexit is entirely inside the Conservative Party. there is no interest in what Corbyn says in the Commons. Labour supporters online are so rude best avoided. ( btw there are some very elegant insults coming from proper journalists so maybe versions of Twitter do appear eventually as part of the debate @steverichards14 will notice).
I used to think the BBC read out opinions from newspapers as something they just had to do. Still listen to Today sometimes and now think they look out for the ones that defend Brexit / attack Corbyn. seems to fit with their own point of view.
So however bad things get, BBC is not going to comment on the situation of Mail / Sun / Telegraph / Express . Circulation may decline. Research may show remaining readers are older even than BBC audience. There may be yet more outrage opinion as much cheaper than reporting. But BBC support could well continue. No analysis to be expected. ( The socalled paper reviews will increase the trend to ramble off into other opinions, not based on any substance in the actual papers, just my guess time will tell)
Actual news? Search on PMQ and Corbyn on a Wednesday.
Brexit has a few issues for the UK but the discussion made no mention of Jeremy Corbyn or opposition in parliament or anywhere. Apart from Conservatives in newspapers. So the scope for Steve Richards is the current government and the BoJo supporters. As far as I can tell there was almost no BBC reporting of PMQ this week, my take Corbyn was effective, all questions about Brexit. The official story is that Corbyn has failed to get message through, though BBC editorial may have more to do with it. My guess is that Corbyn at PMQ will matter eventually, even if not reported by BBC and newspapers. RT on YouTube continues, not sure how this can be blocked.
So the strange world of Brexit newspapers is actually shared by the BBC and presumably other broadcasters. Debate about Brexit is entirely inside the Conservative Party. there is no interest in what Corbyn says in the Commons. Labour supporters online are so rude best avoided. ( btw there are some very elegant insults coming from proper journalists so maybe versions of Twitter do appear eventually as part of the debate @steverichards14 will notice).
I used to think the BBC read out opinions from newspapers as something they just had to do. Still listen to Today sometimes and now think they look out for the ones that defend Brexit / attack Corbyn. seems to fit with their own point of view.
So however bad things get, BBC is not going to comment on the situation of Mail / Sun / Telegraph / Express . Circulation may decline. Research may show remaining readers are older even than BBC audience. There may be yet more outrage opinion as much cheaper than reporting. But BBC support could well continue. No analysis to be expected. ( The socalled paper reviews will increase the trend to ramble off into other opinions, not based on any substance in the actual papers, just my guess time will tell)
Actual news? Search on PMQ and Corbyn on a Wednesday.
Monday, 20 August 2018
Link to blog about Guardian
Just done a post in blog about Reading the Guradian.
Responds to Open Door today looking for reasons why readers complain about G take on Corbyn.
Mostly, I mention the way they use opposition to Brexit as a way to knock Corbyn, not covering what he has actually said. So I would like to go back to what happened during the referendum, how that was reported, the "soft coup" whatever you want to call it, how the G opinion supported this.
there is going to be news over the next few months but how did Brexit happen? Quite possibly the pressures and situations around now are similar to then. Many of the same people.
Today news Guardian mentions Labour strategic concern with working class voters who supported Leave. From the space given to Lord Adonis this is not a concern they consider news for the people they think are readers. Was it much the same during referendum? Corbyn arguments aimed at Labour voters or lost Labour voters. Alan Johnson, Lord Mandelson and others supporting lines from Cameron. Newspapers ignoring Corbyn or getting briefed for a blame game. Speculation obviously but there may be info somewhere.
Just that the Brexit decision seems so strange there must be an explanation as to why the media did such a bad job at explaining the downside. Failure to report what Corbyn was saying is part of this, so need to explore why knocking Corbyn is such a priority.
Responds to Open Door today looking for reasons why readers complain about G take on Corbyn.
Mostly, I mention the way they use opposition to Brexit as a way to knock Corbyn, not covering what he has actually said. So I would like to go back to what happened during the referendum, how that was reported, the "soft coup" whatever you want to call it, how the G opinion supported this.
there is going to be news over the next few months but how did Brexit happen? Quite possibly the pressures and situations around now are similar to then. Many of the same people.
Today news Guardian mentions Labour strategic concern with working class voters who supported Leave. From the space given to Lord Adonis this is not a concern they consider news for the people they think are readers. Was it much the same during referendum? Corbyn arguments aimed at Labour voters or lost Labour voters. Alan Johnson, Lord Mandelson and others supporting lines from Cameron. Newspapers ignoring Corbyn or getting briefed for a blame game. Speculation obviously but there may be info somewhere.
Just that the Brexit decision seems so strange there must be an explanation as to why the media did such a bad job at explaining the downside. Failure to report what Corbyn was saying is part of this, so need to explore why knocking Corbyn is such a priority.
Monday, 13 August 2018
Links on Boris , Sky , and Tweet pressure
Trying to track what turns up on Twitter.
Starts with comment on Sky blog by Lewis Goodall about class in Britain, how it allows views such as from Boris to go unchallenged.
But the episode adverts to something else, something which though not shifting in the mantle of our politics, has long been an irreducible, solid part of its core: all that is important in these matters in Britain, is that you are powerful - that you can say what you like, as long as you're posh.
Evidence then from a wide range of media support.
Then you get @mediaGuido objecting and then @montie who remarks "Big Questions here for @SkyNewsHead"
So by the way, there have been recent statements by Rowan Atkinson and others about the value of free speech. So how often should line management get involved with opinion for journalists?
Anyway, my main question is still on looking back to the referendum and what happened. What was Boris allowed to get away with? Was there any journalism as in questions or review as to what he was saying and did it make sense? My memory suggests probably not.
Boris situation continues, maybe further clues as to who might have done better reporting and what actually happened.
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Meanwhile I think Sky is able to resist this kind of pressure. BBC seems to think they have a duty to support HMG so EU is something of an enemy. Sky more likley to report facts such as lorries near Dover.
Starts with comment on Sky blog by Lewis Goodall about class in Britain, how it allows views such as from Boris to go unchallenged.
But the episode adverts to something else, something which though not shifting in the mantle of our politics, has long been an irreducible, solid part of its core: all that is important in these matters in Britain, is that you are powerful - that you can say what you like, as long as you're posh.
Evidence then from a wide range of media support.
Then you get @mediaGuido objecting and then @montie who remarks "Big Questions here for @SkyNewsHead"
So by the way, there have been recent statements by Rowan Atkinson and others about the value of free speech. So how often should line management get involved with opinion for journalists?
Anyway, my main question is still on looking back to the referendum and what happened. What was Boris allowed to get away with? Was there any journalism as in questions or review as to what he was saying and did it make sense? My memory suggests probably not.
Boris situation continues, maybe further clues as to who might have done better reporting and what actually happened.
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Meanwhile I think Sky is able to resist this kind of pressure. BBC seems to think they have a duty to support HMG so EU is something of an enemy. Sky more likley to report facts such as lorries near Dover.
Tim, I think @ofcom need to investigate Sky News bias. When was the last time you saw Faisal Islam cover a positive Brexit story? How about Conway? Boulton? Allegretti?
This might work on the BBC. Something Brexit positive turns up so they have to find some balance?
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