There are now several versions of this on YouTube.
I also notice that Sky News has a live version on Twitter. Not sure how this works. I still like my television where I can switch between news channels and check they are all much the same.
Except that this Corbyn event is unusual. The audience is paying attention I think. Why the other channels do not invite Corbyn more is maybe a mystery maybe something to explore later.
There could be clips from this. Not sure what Sky News would think. It is a bit long in itself.
By the way, this was reported in the Guardian. And Polly Toynbee is back so no worries there.
I am not going to break up the full clip into little ones. Partly to save time, partly to encourage you to watch the whole thing. But I will list some timings with sampole text if you want to skip.
5.45 question about immigration
"We have had several years of endless newspaper headlines"
9.27 quote Brendan Cox on far right influenece on immigration debate
13 labour voters will vote leave suggests Marr
13.40 i am not a catastrophist
My take " non catastrophist " is putting some distance between accepting the economy would have problems after Brexit and the sort of facts claimed by Cameron. On this occasion I think Corbyn did include the full Remain case on the economy.
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As reported
SUN front page just about immigration, can't stop free movement in EU "We admire his honesty" editorial
nothing about role of newspapers
Mirror can't find anything but there is a quote on worker's rights from Len McClusky (page 7) and an editorial about UKIP / Tory / Leave
Times p12 "We can't curb EU migration, admits Corbyn" , not much about other policy or worker rights. nothing about newspapers.
then p7 Rar-right groups "are inciting hate" on social media
( excuse me, could there be some reporting on newspapers as such or even those print journalists with a Twitter account? just a suggestion)
Guardian similar to Mirror, nothing about Corbyn I can find. Mostly about Cameron
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come back to this to expand and comment later. Assume next week Andrew Marr will again ask the question why Labour failed to make the Remain case. Is Jeremy Corbyn to blame? Could it be that whatever he has to say some media will just ignore it?
Sky News tonight, should be on YouTube quite soon I hope.
No explanation yet on how Channel 4 came to block the Corbyn channel from using his own words. I suggest great care before going on a chat show. Your own phone direct to YouTube could be more effective.
Just a curious question to put in a blog and see what feedback there might be, or just notes for when something turns up.
In the pause after the murder of Jo Cox I tweeted a link to a comment from Polly Toynbee. She wrote about the ugly mood and the role of named politicians. As far as I know this has not appeared in print and there have since been other opinions about the dangers of making comments too soon or without enough information till after legal restrictions are lifted. I have not come across any updated or revised comment from Polly Toynbee and I notice she was not invited to the Sunday Politics with Andrew Neil.
This may have been just by chance but the panel this week seemed to be less balanced than usual , Telegraph / Sun / FT , and there was comment against suggesting any link between the murder motives and public debate.
I also watched Dateline London on BBC News channel and was surprised at the comments by Alex Deane. He defended the UKIP poster and approach and claimed that criticism of this was based on a lack of understanding for working class views. My impression is that panel discussion on TV is getting less like professional analysis and more like a jumble of views that can be claimed as a sort of balance. It is good for a blogging site to be included but the time allowed should be kept in proportion. I would have like to hear more from Marc Roche of Le Point.
Sun editorial today
We acknowledge that some on the fringes of this debate have unjustly targeted migrants for crude political advantage.
But the vast majority of people who will vote Leave this week want a kind, caring, inclusive society - yet face unfair accusations of bigotry and intolerance from Remainers.
Could there be some investigation of the role of print journalism in how this came about? What used to be known as Fleet Street seems to stick together in terms of the questions that can be asked. TV mostly accepts the news agenda.
I probably will buy copoies of the Guardian for the rest of this week but may have to wait for comment on media. And I may find Polly Toynbee only by looking online.
Next post based on Jeremy Corbyn , Andrew Marr show.
This is just a bit longer than a tweet. Watched BBC1 and ITV this morning. Will check later for what clips turn up on YouTube.
I will concentrate on Jeremy Corbyn. Not just because he makes sense but because the media treatment is most interesting. Andrew Neil panel missed his remarks about the role of the press and right wing take on immigration. Janet Daley concerned about too easy links of events and press content. Presumably more later when the facts are established and not subject to legal obscurity. Andrew Neil's Twitter feed not yet reflecting any recent updates but he must be busy. It will be interesting to see how this develops in the next few days.
This blog is concentrating for the next few days on the nitty gritty of how the media is working out, at least the bits I come across. During the week I was told about Jeremy Corbyn on the The Last Leg and then found it on catch up. Later I found several extracts on YouTube. the official ones seem to have concentrated on the funny bits and the odd dress sense. The bit in the middle where he says what he thinks about the EU was only available for a short time on the Jeremy Corbyn channel. Then it was taken down by Channel 4. Now I guess it has been deleted. Can't find it on his page. So this screenshot is from the archive.
My guess is that Jeremy Corbyn has found it hard to get his message across, not because he has not got a message, but because some media do not want to allow him much space. Possibly he went on this sort of show as one of the available options. It is also possible he just has a sense of fun and enjoyed the occasion, I am now drifting off into BBC balance when no facts are obvious. Anyway I doubt if he imagined before the event that he would not be able to use his own words on his own channel.
Unless schedules are changed it is likely Jeremy Corbyn will be on the Andrew Marr show tomorrow and on Sky News Monday evening. Possibly there will be official clips on YouTube anyway. Possibly unofficial clips will appear. But I am just interested whether Jeremy Corbyn has any rights in how they get promoted or hidden.
Then there is Andrew Neil and his wonderful panel. Can this be turned into clips for comment? I am still a bit puzzled on what in general it is that Jeremy Corbyn has not yet contributed. He is sometimes supposed to lack enthusiasm for putting the Remain case. Followers on Twitter will know he has been consistent. Is he supposed to just support Cameron? Corbyn can reasonably claim that the Cameron case has been limited to the market and includes too many fantasy facts or at least claims that some people find unconvincing. I will wait and see how this works tomorrow and not speculate on what the criticism of Corbyn will be this time. But I remain interested in how it transfers to YouTube.
The murder of Jo Cox has changed the scene more or less completely. Continuing a blog is not the most obvious response, except that politics never stops and this was one aspect of her life.
I am not going into much detail or raising any new issues. Except to mention that if the dangers of social media can be included in the discussion it is reasonable to also query the role of print journalism.
Yesterday I did a couple of tweets, one to welcome the Guardian website quoting Jeremy Corbyn in full for once, and one to link to Polly Toynbee. I was surprised to find her words were not in the print version of the Guardian though there was some opinion about not rushing to conclusions. This was before the statement in court that has just been reported. Looking at Twitter also finds the suggested news story is from the Independent with views about how extremist views are legitimised. I will come back to this later when things are a bit more clear.
Meanwhile I will concentrate on video and television. In particular Jeremy Corbyn and how his messages may be filtered.
Watching BBC News around PM Question Time. Corbyn states Labour would not support an austerity budget from Osborne assuming 50 Tory rebels. Norman Smith says this is surprising as Corbyn "supposed to be on the same side" and being "not exactly helpful".
Maybe this explains the sort of enthusiasm Corbyn is supposed to have shown according to the BBC and other comment sources. Should be have backed every Cameron alarm and / or statistic?
Meanwhile I still can't see what Alistair Darling has got out of sharing a platform with Osborne. No distinct Labour message is getting through. but Corbyn seems to be allowing a variety of choices.
I still think the return to Cameron and Osborne upfront could turn out to be a mistake. Not much time to allow a Corbyn presentation as such.
